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Ashkenaz
 Post subject: nueral networks explanation please -.-
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anybody know of a site that will explain nueral networks simply, not with complicated math problems that looks like jiberish???

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bobwrits
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Ok, think of an 'adding tree'.

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nothing comes to mind, by the way, i get the basic jist of it, how the input is analyzied and the other stuff makes sense just the little details are confusing

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Ok, there are 'weights' added(read:multiply) to the nputs that are placed through a GA. The input is analized by simple if statements.

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yea i get that, i also get how it adds the wieghts...

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Ok, then what is confusing you?

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thats just it, it doesn't seem complete

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It is though.

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Ashkenaz
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bobwrits wrote:
Ok, there are 'weights' added(read:multiply) to the nputs that are placed through a GA. The input is analized by simple if statements.

what do the GA's do?


also is there any graphical editors for NN's?
lik i was watching a tech demo for vbs2, and the ai runs on fsm BUT there was an editor that would blink depending on what was hapenning

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The GA's optimixe the weights for whatever the NN was ment to do.


There arn't any graphical editors for NN's that I know of...

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how bout fsm

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FSM?

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http://www.jooneworld.com/

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/login ... mber=65367


nueral network stuff ill just keep looking

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I'll take a look at it.

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FSM = finite state machine , http://www.3dot.dk/wiki/index.php/FSM_Editor



more on the nureal network stuff i found an expansive program http://www.soft32.com/Download/free-tri ... 182-3.html

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OK

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now in the same steps explain GA's

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A set of pseudo-random binary strings that are optimized to solve a particular problem.(In layman's terms, say 100 diffrent binary nimbers that convey certtain information are crated, scanned to determine which one is 'the most fit', then another 'generation' is created in which the most fit number is the father. During this process, there is a random mutaion that is going on with each of the child numbers.

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psuedo-code?

i know im annoying :P

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1.Create binary numbers
2.Scan binary numbers to find out which one is most 'fit'
3.Create new generation with a specific rate of mutation
4.Repeat steps 2 & 4

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